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. and the fights ahead of us are fights that we're very well positioned for and we're very united about and that's spending. and we've got the sequester vote, the continuing resolution vote and the debt ceiling vote in front of us. and if the president thinks that he's not going to negotiate, he better think again. he's president of the united states, he's not emperor of the planet. we'll have to see the spending cuts and entitlement reforms he's talked about. i take him at his word, said he'd like to put them on the table, we haven't seen them. i'm looking forward to seeing them literally in a matter of days. this next 90 days is going to be really critical for restoring the fiscal stability of the country. >> i want to ask you, you just mentioned you guys are united but last night it was a rarity, house speaker john boehner voted for the plan, majority leader eric cantor voted against it, as did kevin mccarthy, his chief whip. does that send a message to the chuckle head as your colleague said? if boehner and cantor is split, there's no reason we can't oppose the big deal? >> i'm proud of the
that the president of the united states is going to nominate a defense secretary who wants to go to war with iran, they've clearly not paid attention the last few years. the reality is to find someone who makes sure our national security is safe. and issues are protected but not simply someone who wants to rattle sabers and go to war. >> no one is saying go to war, but it's the worst negotiating technique in the world to take something completely off of the table and get nothing for it. basically, what you said to the country, whose president said they would like to write israel off the face of the map that we will not respond, we will not be aggressive. >> with all due respect, i don't want to sit there and listen to lecturing about national security from republicans and administration, the previous one that led us into two wars, including one we never had to fight. that being said, let's give chuck hagel his time and chance to defend himself and his case to why he should be secretary of defense. >> there are a lot of democrats who are not ready to support him. keep that in mind. >> i'm going to
of time. we have five seconds here. >> i don't think that the united states of america can be effective if we stand with the forces of autocracy in front of freedom. that's fundamental. >> i have to make that the final word. thanks to all of you here. quick programming note, stay with nbc news for special coverage of president obama's inauguration starting tomorrow on "today." that's all for today. if it's sunday, it's "meet the press." >>> i barack hussein obama do solemnly swear -- >>> president obama takes the oath of office for the second time at the white house. good afternoon to you, i'm craig melvin and you are watching msnbc, the place for politics, and this is how president obama's second term started earlier today. >> please raise your right hand and repeat after me. i, barack hussein obama do solemnly swear -- >> i, barack hussein obama, do s solemnly swear -- >> to execute the office of the president of the united states -- >> to execute the office of the president of the united states -- >> will protect and preserve and defend the constitution of the united states. >> will
, barack hussein obama, do s solemnly swear -- >> to execute the office of the president of the united states -- >> to execute the office of the president of the united states -- >> will protect and preserve and defend the constitution of the united states. >> will protect and preserve the constitution of the united states. >> so help me god. >> so help me god. >> thank you, mr. chief justice. >>> we have team coverage of the 57th presidential inauguration, and luke russert is with us on the washington mall, but we start with peter alexander on the north lawn of the white house this afternoon. pete, we know that the first family attended the historic metropolitan church this morning, and what are they up to right now? >> well, they get some quiet time together as a family which compared to the hundreds of thousands of people now converging on the capitol ahead of tomorrow's public swearing in and the presidential address, the inaugural address to take place, we believe they are here at the white house right now. we have a good look at sasha obama, the youngest daugt e of the oobamas to
and lesbians and issues important to the lgtb community. the president of the united states is always had the right to appoint people that he's comfortable with. he won the election. the test for confirmation should be is there any major disqualification. there isn't any. there's confusion about his record. i heard our previous panelists say he's got a problem on israel. he doesn't have a problem on israel. he's devoted to give israel $38 billion in aid over his career in the senate. he's been a strong supporter of israel. in terms of iran, he was against unilateral sanctions but strongly for and has supported multilateral sanctions, the type that are really starting to have an effect. let's take a deep breath and listen to the secretary hagel as he answers tough questions and he'll do great and he'll be confirmed. >> as we look at the second term of the president, this is the legacy term to cement what he's done already in the next four years. one thing that we have for david brooks, why hagel was picked. referencing the long game of this. chuck hagel has been nominated to supervise the
in the united states senate spent our time trying to prevent that 60th. thank god for senator lieberman. i think history has already made a judgment about the surge, sir, and you're on the wrong side of it. and your refusal to answer whether you were right or wrong about it is going to have an impact on my judgment as to whether or not to vote for your confirmation or not. i hope you will reconsider the fact you refused to answer a fundamental question about an issue that took the lives of thousands of young americans. >> senator, there was more to it than just flooding -- >> i'm asking about the surge, senator hagel. >> i know you are and i'm trying to explain my position. the beginning of the surge also factored into what general allen had put in place in anbar province, the sunni awaken iing. we put over, as you know, 100,000 -- >> i'm very aware of the history of the surge and the anbar awakening, and i also am aware any casual observer will know the surge was the fundamental factor led by two great leaders, general petraeus and -- >> i don't know if that would have been required and cost us
as an opportunity for leverage to get those spending cuts that they didn't just get. the president of the united states says he's not going to play ball on that. he may unilaterally raise the debt and may lower the debt and there are a few options on the table so we'll have to see how that plays out. >> do you think he might invoke the constitution to prevent congress from holding him hostage? >> we have to see. the white house pretty much shut that down in december and november when there were discussions of possibly doing that especially when liberal democrats were suggesting he should do it and he had proposed and it was quickly shut down the possibility of being able to do this in the future without congressional approval and that was shut down not only by republicans, but also democrats who said how dare he think about it. i think it would be a radical move and only because there was some serious gridlock. >> jonathan, let's turn our focus now to the speaker. we covered speaker boehner. this is what the former speaker of the house had to say about him. let's take a listen on the other side.
for myself. with unitedhealthcare, i get personalized information and rewards for addressing my health risks. but she's still going to give me a heart attack. that's health in numbers. unitedhealthcare. >>> three weeks from today the swearing in of president president obama. this year two times the fun. the president will be sworn in on january 20th as dictated by the constitution. since the 20th falls on a sunday that ceremony will take place at the white house. there will be a second more public inaugural ceremony at the u.s. capitol the next day, monday january 21st. >>> let's take a look at other stories. apparently americans are not the only ones excited about the president's inauguration. ♪ four years have passed but president is still the man ♪ ♪ >> the irish group is at it again with the second song for the president. the first song went viral and earned the duo an invitation to the president's inauguration. this time the president's distant cousin will present a copy of the new song to the president for which he was given a co-writer credit. we'll find out for sure if formerer
things that you want for the united states, and that means you're in the bunker together on tough days, and that means you're standing proud on oh, and i think that's where personal relationships develop. people also forget that secretary clinton and president obama did have time in the senate together so they knew one another better before the tough days of the campaign. really important to remember. a campaign is meant to really define the differences of two people, but working together as this leadership team in the administration on what they agree on and how they move forward, both challenge one another and stand behind one another. >> i want to play a brief clip from the "60 minutes" interview and get your take on the other side. take a listen. >> it has been a great collaboration over the last four years. i'm going to miss her. wish she was sticking around. >> what's next? what's next for your friend, hillary clinton? >> what's next for hillary clinton? i think hillary clinton deserves some time to take a break and rest. i think she deserves some time to think about what kind of
and the year before. to have a fight over that is to say the united states should throw the economy of the world into catastrophe. that should not happen. in order to avoid that disaster since the republicans are trying to use the debt ceiling to bl k blackmail the country say by saying it's a nice economy, pity to blow it up if you have don't pay our ran sam. dr ran some. -- ransom. >> you just said there should not be a fight over the debt ceiling but will there be? is there anything about the history of this issue that suggests there won't be a fight? >> there will be a fight unless the president takes it off the table by invoking his ability to say i'm going to ignore the debt ceiling when and if it -- when and if it says that we can't pay the bills that are lawfully incurred because that would violate the 14th amendment. if the president is willing to invoke the 14th amendment, he can take it off the table. the republicans would yell and scream but he's has the right to invoke the 14th amendment and the republicans can take it to court. >> we're going to bring in our panel. hi
to the united nations, officials there are calling it, quote, truly shocking. anabelle roberts is in london live for us this afternoon with the very latest. anabelle? >> reporter: craig, yes. the u.s. troops are there at turkey's request as part of the nato deployment reinforcing defenses along the country's border with syria. the missiles are on the way and will be operational toward the end of january. meanwhile, inside syria, the bloodshed continues. people caught up in this latest explosion race to help the victims. it's believed this is the aftermath of an air strike that hit a gas station four days ago. at least 30 people were killed here. just north of the city, two days later, another gas station went up in flames. it's thought this blast was caused by a car bomb. no one has claimed responsibility. the violence in syria continues as forces loyal to president bashar al assad fight over territory with rebel groups. footage of summary executions can be found on the internet. where this film comes from is uncertain. here two rebels are tortured by men in military uniform and killed. >> every
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, kayla. you are, again, an iraq war vet and served in the army's most well known unit, the 101st airborne division the screaming eagles and you weren't even sure women should serve in combat, why not? >> i'm not so sure that the men i served with were ready. i heard right before we invaded iraq some of the guys saying you don't belong in the military at all and much less in combat zones and i wasn't sure if they would ever be prepared, but once we were serving for a while and i went in combat foot patrols and realized the only thing that mattered was to help them accomplish the mission i started to think, okay, maybe some day down the road eventually things will change and these young guys as they move up into leadership positions having served alongside women in combat they may be ready for this type of change and here we are today. that change is happening. >> colonel, here ate thing. women in combat situations have been a reality for a number of years now. more than 150 female troops have died in iraq and afghanistan. why did it take so long for the pentagon to recognize the true role
the values of the united states and in essence, encouraging folks to stay here who have gone to school her, who have gone to college here and raised here and of course, that big one, and the path to citizenship. this is one of the most controversial issues. of course, a lot of republicans don't like this idea of creating a path to citizenship. president obama has worked to get that done. the big question is how can can the white house and members of congress work together to make that happen? on friday president obama met with members of the congressional hispanic caucus here at the white house. we also have a list of some of the senators who attended that meeting. they include senator robert menendez and javier becerra and ruben hinojosa and several others and president obama trying to get their input before he hits to road to travel to las vegas before making this large announcement. prior to the tragedy in newtown, immigration was going to be president obama's top priority during this second term. so we expect him on tuesday and the days following to really push his agenda with great fo
's about 11 million undocumented workers, illegal immigrants presently living in the united states right now. the president acknowledged in his weekly radio address just yesterday that this is one of the difficult missions facing this country right now, richard, and obviously will be when you consider the fact that the president, as he pursues this, as he's likely, to according to the "new york times," even addressing it in the state of the union address on february 12th, he'll be dealing with immigration, gun control. we know about the confirmation hearing issues and then the fiscal, the debt ceiling which is fast approaching as well. >> definitely that dance card is getting filled up pretty quickly so early in the year and he hasn't even been inaugurated. also in that article, senator marco rubio preparing his own version of the d.r.e.a.m. act. he discussed how republicans could face some pushback from latinos because of their stance on immigration reform. he said this, quote. we are going to have a struggle speaking to a whole segment of the population about our principles of limited
forward at the debt ceiling, the full faith and credit of the united states has never been compromised voluntarily. we've never done that. and the reason the full faith and credit of the united states means something is because we've never defaulted. and i just can't imagine that speaker boehner or any of the republicans would want to use that leverage in that way just to achieve political gain. >> as you look ahead, and obviously, you have a very different perspective, giving that you're moving on, what can possibly happen to change the intransigen intransigence, the bad feelings, the inability to work together that we have seen in congress? and i think it's worth pointing out, again, this has been the least popular, least effective congress since they've been keeping records. >> i think -- i could give you a long speech about the way that we elect partisans to office. most of america is in the center. they want us to work together. they want us to get along. unfortunately, due to the way we draw districts and the way primaries are held, we end up generally electing people from the mo
to this committee. the united states notified to the libyan government the specific names of people who were serving in libya in both tripoli and in benghazi. that in no way affected the legal obligation of libya under the vienna convention. the problem as i said, was not their willingness, it was their capacity. as you know from the first time chris stevens arrived before the fall of gadhafi, relied not on any libyan governmental security but on the february 17th brigade and then we supplemented that after gad half halffy's fall with ds agents and private security contractors. there was no effect on anything from the libyan government that was related to that. however, we do think that needs to be looked at going forward. the arb made a very important point. that the so-called temporary nature of the mission did prove to be confusing to people down the chain responsible for reading those cables, we get about, i don't know, how many millions of cables do we get. i have to confess, i do not read all the cables that come into the state department. that's why we have a huge workforce of people who are
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their paychecks. investors around the world will ask if the united states of america is, in fact, a safe bet. markets could go haywire, interest rates would spike for anybody who borrows money, every homeowner with a mortgage, every student with a college loan, every small business owner who wants to grow and hire. it would be a self-inflicted wound on the economy. it would slow down our growth. might tip us into recession. and ironically, would probably increase our deficit. so to even entertain the idea of this happening, of the united states of america not paying its bills, is irresponsible. it's absurd. as the speaker said two years ago, it would be, and i'm quoting, speaker boehner now, a financial disaster not only for us but for the worldwide economy. so we've got to pay our bills. and republicans in congress have two choices here, they can act responsibly and pay america's bills or they can act irresponsibly and put america through another economic crisis. but they will not collect a ransom in exchange for not crashing the american economy. the financial well being of the american pe
and the president of the united states. >> we'll see what he comes up with again, the deadline he wants to provide the president with options is by tuesday. delaware attorney general beau biden. thanks, sir. >> thanks, thomas. >> we'll bring our political power panel, bacon and joe sestak and ms nbc contributor. perry, i want to start with you and based on what i was able to maybe get out of beau a little bit, more like the matix avoiding that conversation. he was able to help facilitate the fiscal cliff negotiations and joe biden is the only closer that the white house has right now as said by the national journal. as beau points out he hasn't been sworn in to the second administration, but how important is joe biden? >> he's become very important. we all mock him because he's occasionally has his foot in his mouth or says the wrong thing. on these deal, particularly with congress, he knows a lot of people and worked on gun legislation for years, a lot of experience. he's become a very valuable person, more than we expected when obama was inaugurated. >> and admiral sestak, i want to talk to you
' approval, and it says validity of the public debt of the united states shall not be questioned. some democrats wrote a letter to the white house on friday saying it gives the president the authority to increase the debt ceiling unilaterally, and another option that is floated is to essentially mint a platinum coin worth a trillion dollars. this is a idea that dates back to a 1997 appropriations bill that deals with the issue. the white house saying they do not believe that this gives nem the authority to mint a trillion dollars coin. they feel they need to go through congress to get the debt increased. there's question how it will take effect. president obama said he is not going negotiate with congress. so it raises the question, if he is not going negotiate congress, how are they going to get it done? congress is digging in and house republicans saying they are not going to aagree to an increase in the debt limit unless it's equalled by dollar for dollar spending cuts and depositions saying they are not signing off on that, they believe it will take a huge bite out of sbeel s enti
footsteps. >> he's a determined and effective representative of the united states. has been as a senator, will be as secretary. >> and things were cordial enough moments ago. senator mccain was still blasting clinton for her testimony yesterday. >> she really didn't answer any questions, her response to senator johnson about whether there was a spontaneous demonstration or not, saying it didn't matter, it didn't matter how these people died? that was stunning. that was really stunning. of course it matters. >> all right, let's dive right in and say good morning to our thursday political power. mark ginsburg, joi ann reed, ron reagan, and republican strategist susan del percio. it's great to have you all here. as we speak right now, the confirmation hearing of john kerry is taking place. started roughly after 10:00 a.m. and this is a big difference of what we saw yesterday, ironically enough, this is the senate committee that kerry technically still chairs, and he made a joke about that, saying it was pretty -- pretty interesting position to be on the soother side, and those esteemed sena
of state said at face value. let me add this. there's no way a president of the united states gives up all of this screen time, this important "60 minutes" screen time and shares it if there's not some underlying motive behind it. it just doesn't happen by the very nature of the presidency. second of all, the president owes the clintons a lot. the reason is bill clinton throughout the 2012 campaign and hillary clinton was collecting the check. >> you know -- >> karen, we got to leave the last word there. got to be faster, karen. our political power panel today. david drucker, karen finny and alice stewart. >>> a programming note, andrea mitchell is going to interview secretary clinton. it'll air on "andrea mitchell reports" 1:00 p.m. on wednesday. >>> coming up, calling it quits. senators tom harkin and saxby chambliss and jay rockefeller announcing that will not be running for another term. is this the gop's big chance for a senate sweep? >>> brazilian police arrest three people in connection with that deadly nightclub fire and are the lookout for potentially more suspects. we'll fill you
spoke last night to christians united for israel in washington, d.c. and said hagel is absolutely the wrong man for this job. >> i cannot support someone who thinks we should be tougher on israel and more lenient on iran. we need a defense secretary who understands and fully appreciates the danger of a nuclear iran and the importance of a strong u.s./israel alliance. >> joining me now is democratic senator, barbara boxer of california. senator, it's good to have you here. and as we had the breaking news, the video just coming in moments ago of john kerry, getting the voice vote of confirmation for being the next secretary of state, the full senate voice expected this afternoon. but you were in that room, but it's going to be a lot different when it comes to chuck hagel's confirmation. completely different, especially given the rhetoric that you're already hearing this weekend. senator menendez and john mccain may decline to go on record of how you're going to vote. you're going to come out saying you did have reservations, but now you support him. what's your reaction on your resp
. >> we have to stay united. we have to show that if given the chance, we can govern. that we have better ideas. >> we have got to stop being the stupid party. we can stand by our timeless principals and articulate them in ways that are modern and that i believe is how we will achieve republican renewal. >> joined now by nrc deputy communications director tim miller. good to see you on this saturday. one way that your boss said that the republicans can make gains is by waging a permanent campaign. can't voters get sick of that fast? >> what we have to do is compete with what obama and the democrats are doing. if you look back at the election, president obama began running as soon as he was elected in 2008. and mitt romney's campaign was six months long. from getting into communities and organizing and listening to voters and hearing their concerns, the obama campaign had more time and allowed them to do a better job. so, going forward that is something that we need to do and make sure that we are living in communities and talking about the republican party and the brand. not just in the t
's where this highlighter comes in. and it states, quote, the validity of the public debt of the united states shall not be questioned. that is the part of the 14th amendment that those senators that you just referenced are seizing on to say that the president should increase the debt limit without the help of congress. the congress has been asked about this. the white house, the reaction from the white house is that they don't believe that they have the right to use the 14th amendment to increase the debt ceiling without congress. they say they're not going go that route and here's where it gets complicated and he's not going to negotiate with congress and it begs the question if he's not going to negotiate with congress, how will it get resolved and republicans are digging in their heels saying they will not increase the debt limit unless it is offset with the equal amount dollar for dollar cuts in spending. democrats say they're not going agree with that because it will likely target entitlements and that is where these battle lines are being drawn and thomas, this is a similar fight
as to whether to be angry or to be saddened. we have the president of the united states go over and have a cheerleading, ridiculing of republicans exercise. >> joining us now are our strats chris cofinas and chip salzmann. thank you for being here on this new year's day. >> thank you. so, chris, i want to start with you. are these attacks on the president's news conference fair? did that photo op with voters really risk derailing a deal? >> well, there have been a lot of things that risk derailing a deal. the president going out there and using the bully pulpit to pressure republicans if you will to come to their senses and make some kind of compromise for the sake of the country i don't think necessarily was the problem. the problem here from the very get-go is you can't get republicans to yes even when it's in their interest to say yes. and this has been i think the fundamental problem the president has had with speaker boehner from the very beginning. it's impossible to negotiate with speaker boehner because speaker boehner cannot negotiate with his own caucus. and that is the crux of
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the and get us together, and make it like the fiscal cliff. make it as important as gun violence in the united states. >> we don't -- >> make it an important priority for him, in terms of calling people together and making sure. look, and i mean -- >> that doesn't seem to work so well in washington. >> let we just say this, here is the difference with immigration and the fiscal cliff, we are this, we are separated with the fiscal cliff, on guns there's a great void and vacuum between us, on immigration, you can have a senator rubio and a former presidential candidate talking about it. >> he said that he would prefer to see a piece by piece approach. you are saying that you want to be seeing something done comprehensively. there is a gap between the two of you. >> here is the difference. maybe i see the glass half full because i see suffering and pain that exists and i'm optimistic about the future. here is why i see the glass half full, before the election, here was the debate. they should all just leave, 12 million of them, self-deport. every other state should copy the law in arizona. the fr
of the president of the united states. the president of the united states is at constant risk from people with guns, the people that have been killed an assassinated in this country by guns and we protect that. people don't just want to own a gun for protection, but who want the right to take up arms against their own government. they're never going to get middle american, they're always going to be fringe and they're going to lose this debate. >> thank you for joining us, i appreciate it. >>> a notre dame football star may soon explain how his inspiring story of overcoming tragedy is actually that have a hoax. manti te'o says he met a woman online that then became his girlfriend, but then she suddenly died. turns out the woman known only as land they kukkea never existed. he was 80% sure that manti te'o was in on it and that the two, together perpetrated this fake girlfriend's death with publicity in mind. teoday releasing this statement saying that apparently what was someone's joke and sick lies was humiliating and embarrassing. nbc's john yang live in south alabama for us. by playing a game in
can do for the united states of america is to have a strong economy. we have to start creating jobs in this country. we have to deal with a number of issues abroad other than the ground troop commitment in afghanistan. we have the middle east still in turmoil and we've got syria and we've got iran and we have challenges still in iraq. you've got the far east and you've got china and japan that are at odds right now and china's increasing way of a powerful country and once the nation is respected so these are broader, more nebulous and just as important challenges and they have to be met from the foundation of a strong, vibrant, growing, american economy. >> when you talk about jobs, there are people on the right who will say the president needs to add defense cuts and that means jobs. they were in the country now that have spent over a dozen years at war. so we're in the business of war now which is also a moneymaker for a lot of people. so what would you say to those people that would oppose the fact that the president is lining up chuck hagel and a republican to get into the defen
in the first place. >> of course, at stake here is the credibility of the u.s. economy and the united states can befall to the national debt and it does not increase the bar. joining me now is the political staff writer, art shapiro, white house correspondent for mpr. good saturday to both of you. >> thank you for having us. >> cheryl, we'll start with you. this new plan pushes the threat of default until mid-april and contingent as congressman mccarty is contingent on the fact that the house and senate will have to both pass budgets and that hasn't happened in some time and congressional salaries also on the line. is this a viable strategy? >> i think it's an interesting strategy. if you're a senate democratic staffer and you just watched house republican leaders come out of the retreat and this is the plan, you're sitting there scratching your head being, like, wait. was it really this easy? what just happened here? i think what this does is it sets up a much greater battle in a few months and what house republicans are doing here is they are betting that they'll have more political capita
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rating? no. that's not my point. absurd that any republican or anybody united states absolutely right. off of the a, how we create the millions of jobs that this country desperately needs. by the way, thomas, when you create jobs and create taxpayers and people are contributing revenue, then your deficit is going to go down. deal is fair. the backs of people who hurting. doesn't pay a nickel in federal income taxes. that's wrong. >> independent senator bernie sanders from vermont. sir, as always, great to have you on. thank you for your time. >> thank you. >>> apology not accepted. the log cabin republicans taking out this full page ad "new york times" in the last month. also an ad in the "washington post." opposing a potential chuck hagel nomination as defense secretary. why they still say he's wrong on gay rights. >>> happening right now, a preliminary hearing for james holmes, the suspect in the aurora theater shooting. we're going to take you there, get a first look at some of the evidence in that case. ♪ i'd like to thank eating right, whole grain, multigrain cheerios! mom, are
to be angry or to saddened. we have the president of the united states go over and have a cheerleading ridiculing of republicans exercise. >> let's bring in democratic strategist and former edwards communications director chris ka fiance and republican strategist and former huckabee campaign manager chip saltzman. what a way to start the new year. good morning, gentlemen. >> good morning. >> good morning. >> chris, do you think objectively, did the president maybe go too far, did he push maybe a few too many republican buttons yesterday? >> you know, i'm not sure how he pushed too many republican buttons. the problem here isn't the president going out there and trying to apply as much political pressure as he can. the president's power in these kind of negotiations to a large extent is the bully pulpit, and he's tried to use that as effectively as possible, but when you look at the reality of this whole process, it has been an awful, ugly, you know, pretty embarrassing process. you have the republicans in the house, you know, and speaker boehner seemingly cannot control his caucus, he
get republicans, tea party republicans all onboard behind that and be united in a way that you haven't seen so far over the last few years. >> it's also one of the messages that will resonate with folks in this country who hear we'll stop paying them? we dislike them anyway? we should cut their pay? >> with all of the talk with republicans being in control with most of the statehouses. it's a complete nod to state legislators who have done this. >> part of the mission was to think of ways to gain women and minority voters as well. how do you think republicans are going to get out of the colonial types, if you will, on this one? >> you're already seeing a lot of this immigration reform push with senator marco rubio taking the lead on that, but you're seeing paul ryan join up and the chamber of commerce is starting to get onboard with whatever that republican proposal will be. so i think that that can end up being a moment of unity for everyone and it's possible and there's always rancor in washington. >> there's concern about how they talk about these issues and getting to understand
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